SPEAKER_01 0:03

Hello everyone and welcome to another power-packed episode of the Kapal Gupta Career Workshop, where inspiration meets aspiration. And I'm your host, Kapal Gupta. Now, today's guest is someone who needs no introduction in the world of innovation, data science, and education. But still, let's give him the one he deserves. He's someone who has turned curiosity into a mission and learning into a global movement. From working with giants like GE and Vipro to founding his own global learning platform, from earning over 200 plus certifications in AIML to winning 300 plus awards in innovation and project management, he's done it all. He's not just a data scientist, he's a full stack educator, an innovation mentor, and a modern-day monk practicing vipassana meditation with the same dedication he gives to algorithms. He has taught over 1 lakh students across 175 countries, built a fan base of 500k AI enthusiasts, and continues to serve the world with his mission to deliver high-quality, low-cost education to seven billion people. So, Gen Z, if you dream of mixing brains with impact, if AI, data science, and purpose-driven living excite you, this is your master class right here. So let's welcome the inspirational Dr. Noble R. Hello, Roxa.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Hello, hi, hi.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Welcome to the Kapal Gupta Kareer Pot Show. And I am so glad that I could actually got a chance to actually interview you because this is something the Gen Z actually needs. And with the kind of achievements you have, I'm sure this podcast will be full of value, full of inspiration for our listeners. So thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

Thank you. Thanks a lot. I'm I'm grateful on the show and you inviting me for the show, and I'm really grateful and the audience. I'm definitely and definitely will be adding a lot of value.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Thank you. Thank you. And without further ado, I would like you to go down the memory lane, right? Go back in time. So, how did your journey into data AI innovation actually begin? Because we feel as if it's a new concept, but you have already achieved so much in this field. So if I ask you, were you always this curious as a child?

SPEAKER_00 3:42

Yes, yes, yes. Actually, what AI is doing today or uh technology, I used to visualize when I was in uh fifth or fourth standard, uh, but my teachers couldn't understand my natural intelligence. We all have natural intelligence, and natural intelligence is billions of years of evolution happened in humankind, and uh that information is inside our genes, in through the culture, the the the country we are living in. We had saints, sages, scientists, and uh and it we have come from very very long evolution, and uh so curiosity was there, and what what was the actually I faced a lot of challenges, but what was important point was that I used to reflect uh uh uh on my um moves in life, like uh that what should I do? How can I improve myself a little bit every day? And I remember when I wrote my first uh sentence in English, I was so happy that uh I can think in English and I can uh it's not about English, it's about like uh wanted to learn something, and then I started thinking in that, and uh that um I used to visualize um, so I give one example. I used to think like if we can have houses like who can uh move from one city to other city uh around third or fourth standard, I used to think like that. That and later I came to know that uh they have like uh people have designed uh caravans or houses on the on the wheels, and I used to think technology why what IoT is going to do uh now uh well you can control the entire house using technology. If you are in America, uh you have a house in India, you can control each and everything, which will be the reality in the future. I used to visualize such things in my around fourth or fifth standard round.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Wow, this is actually amazing because students are curious, you know. Obviously, we say when students or kids imagine, there's no logic behind it, it is pure imagination, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:25

It's pure imagination, and Einstein says Einstein says the highest research is uh imagination, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:38

So right, so right so but you have worked with G, Vipro, in so high impact roles, but then what key lessons from the corporate world helped you shape this noble transformation hub?

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Yeah, actually, from beginning again, I faced challenges like um uh I had a learning disability. Uh, why uh because I I had natural intelligence, I was brimming with ideas, uh, imagination, curiosity. But the thing was that I cannot express my um uh knowledge and the insights uh and the observations I used to do very deeply. I will uh observe life evolving, I'll see leaves growing, I'll see they're not the same, I see flowers, I see animals, I see change happening, agility, I see knowledge everywhere, but I was not having language to express it. Uh so uh so that then I worked on it. I worked for one or two years, I deeply went into that, and because of that, I I got uh job um and I gave around 30 interviews for my first job. And uh I worked for six months completely to prepare myself for the job, and I was lucky I got into Fortune 500 company, and uh there, but uh the curiosity to know like education, what it is, because I was not satisfied uh with um the the kind of education we have, whether it is government, private, or the way people perceive it. So though I knew the definition of education was a modification of behaviors, but uh that education helps us to modify our behaviors, it it helps. But um then I'll see a lot there huge gap between what is being taught and what is being applied, and there is a huge there are a lot of loopholes and gap. So there is there is a huge gap between uh applied education theory and application, and um, and that was with me that I wanted to do something for this because I faced such challenges from the beginning. Uh I was naturally intelligent. I used to give 200%, but I used to get very less marks, and uh then I started improving myself, and um, and then that uh made me like uh continuous. I I became lifelong learner. Now people say lifelong learner, but I I be I became lifelong learner at that point of time, and that is why uh that uh then I said that uh let me uh let me create a platform wherein I can educate people because education should not be painful, it should be uh it should be fun, it should be um it should be engaging, it should be simple, it should be um, and then I started doing holistic research, uh, how world-class universities and institutes and best people who are the best teachers in the world, how they teach. So I started uh doing that research and simplifying the concepts, and this is how Noble Translation Hub was bought.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Wow, and I will fully agree with you, the gaps in education still exist, right? We have always talked about that knowledge is the key, but to move forward in a country, you need marks, right? Because that is the only parameter with which you can actually move forward, and what I read about nowadays that the world is actually moving towards degreeless education, that if you have the knowledge, you if you have the right skill, then you can get that knowledge will make you employable. So, am I right on that?

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Right. So we used to say earlier knowledge is power, but uh knowledge is not power. So I I am going to challenge that status quo. Uh knowledge is not power, actually, applied knowledge is power. So if you know, if you know the gap between application of knowledge and you know how to apply it, and you have deep conceptual clarity in your knowledge, then and only you are going to apply it properly. So earlier we used to think that uh theory, theory, theory, theory is knowledge. Then there came a stage around uh uh 90s, uh 90s or 20s, uh we started thinking, oh no, no, um, we it should be applied, applied, applied. Again, both ages were wrong because you need to have a balance of theory and application together, because until or unless you don't know what, you don't know why, you are not going to do how. And the conceptual clarity, fundamentally, uh, you need to know deeply the semantics of semantic meaning, level meaning, meta-level meaning, and deep meta-level meaning of each words, what you're using in your uh education or you're defining things before you get a degree or you want to go for a job. Because if you don't understand concepts deeply, then you are actually doing surface level um education, and definitely you're not going to be skilled. Even if you go and apply, you will do very partial level of application because you don't have fundamentally deeper and meta-level understanding about the concept. You're just copy-pasting or just learning, uh, and you will make a lot of mistakes, and that there would be a lot of inefficiencies over the years because your conceptual clarity is not there, and because of that, their deep level of understanding how to apply that concept is not there.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Right, right. Fully agree on that. And I saw your journey, and actually, you've come a long way, right? You have 200 plus certifications, 300 plus awards, and that's actually unbelievable. I know some years back I was reading some article about Arun Netrival, he was the president of AT and T Bell Labs, and he had a number of you know certificational inventions under his belt. So I was really amazed by that person's proficiency. So, but what is that with you? How do you keep yourself so updated? Because obviously, I didn't get I didn't get a chance to interact with him, but you are no less a wonder for me. So, what motivated you to keep learning?

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Actually, um in my genes, in my DNA, there are two things. One is curiosity, uh simplicity, and uming everything, non-biased knowledge, and I don't learn for job money, even if if I do seminars, I never talk about money. You give me this much, uh, then I'll come. I don't talk about that. And if I charge in my programs, so I always think my session or my program should be 100x value. If you if you pay 1x, it should be 100x valued because uh uh that is my nature. I can't change that, and maybe because of that I exist, and that is how I know myself, that is my nature, and uh uh it is from the beginning. Whatever work I do, whatever work I do, it's like I am doing uja, I am doing worship to the God, I am worshiping the God, whether I study, whether I work for any company, whether I work for myself, whether I help anybody, so I am hundred percent into that, so I take it as a worship, and that all these awards and certification, everything is a byproduct, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:02

And so using that knowledge, in fact, you learnt it and you applied it, and you are actually now sharing that knowledge with others, so you have trained hundred thousand plus students globally, and obviously it has been a long journey. So, if I may ask you, what changes do you see in the way young people approach AI and innovation today? What changes because over the years, like obviously, hundred thousand plus is a huge number. So, what is that progression you have seen in the students?

SPEAKER_00 16:45

Actually, students we have different students. Uh, the main thing is when I was a student, so I'll compare and to correlation with that. So the thing is, I was curious, my numbers were less, the marks were less, I had natural intelligence. Likewise, I see intelligence is there, but it is unlocked, like it is locked intelligence, which uh teachers need to teachers need to unlock the intelligence, and we all have intelligence and natural intelligence in us. It is just that we need to have facilitators who can guide those students, and they are very intelligent, they are genius, but I think they need to be hand-holded, guided, pushed, uh, sometimes pushed, motivated, and uh they need to have world-class uh vision, values, mission, and which will drive them, and mentors and guides who can drive them. And um, we have 49% um data scientists and AI right now, uh specialists who are working in the industry, but they are not uh effective data scientists or AI researchers right now, 49% and 97 million new openings till uh 2030 will be there, but we'll not have effective data scientists and researchers because uh actually people just think learning uh for job or learning for money, but they don't think that it is as a karma, as a worship, uh as uh Krishnanji says in Gitaji that you um uh you don't worry about the fruits, you just do your karma. But we I think have not understood that and not applied even that verse in our lives that whatever we do, we give thousand percent to it, and uh irrespective of what we get back, we are always calculating uh the returns of our efforts, uh, and then we are into that calculation only, we don't focus at the excellence. That is the problem. But uh potential is there, but it is not unlocked, or we don't have mentors or a system or an education policy, or uh even parents don't know. Even students don't know what should they do. And uh when I mentor students, so my first thing is that I ask them to have crazy goals, crazy mission, uh, which will serve humanity, have values, right values, and keep working today, whatever you are working on, have a 50 years, 40 years mission and vision, and then keep working towards it. Uh, whatever AI comes or uh intelligence comes, you it will not do anything to you because you are working on a mission. So uh even it will help you to progress, so you don't need to worry about whether you have a job or not, you will you work for excellence. That is what uh there are different elements which I have described, right? Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

But nowadays we have you know, while teaching students, we have multiple platforms, I'll say both online and offline. And even you have been using uh many prestigious platforms like Udemy, the Harvard programs, and the IITs. So, according to you, what was the most memorable moment in your teaching experiences?

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Actually, I was reborn when I started. Uh I did all the certifications, and um, like uh one day I asked my friend uh in Vipro Technology, I was working, so I asked him, I want to understand the world. I see um problem in the way the world is designed. So I I asked him, I want to understand the design of the world, and uh he said, Um what do you want to do? I said, I want to become a monk, and then I will understand for two, three years, and then I'll come and serve. So, uh, in that direction. So once I understand, so he said uh why you want to do that, you just start Vipassna and you so at that time when I did my first course, it was very harsh, and it was uh 50 degrees Celsius and single uh brick wall, and there's a lot of heat, a lot of sweat, a lot of and I'm not able to sleep. Uh outside I was very discomfortable, but inside I was happy that I have found the path of righteousness, truth, and which I was searching. And uh that day I was actually reborn. It took me three years to understand, so I went to Level of uh Shivatva, level of like you you reach to a level of zero wherein you think that I know one thing that I know nothing, and I think that is the beginning of actual knowledge. Uh once you uh so that day I was satisfied uh that uh yes uh this is this is actually the knowledge that when uh I know one thing and I know nothing and everything is like every day, every moment is a new moment. I have to have a new like childlike approach to learn it every day till I die. So that was a breakthrough in my life, and uh and I think we all need to uh reach to that level of uh you call it Shivatva or you call it uh zero uh level of nothingness when you don't think, but uh universe manifests uh its plan to you, and you get intuition from the universe that you have to do this each day, and you don't need motivation, you don't need somebody telling you to do this, and you don't need you see uh life manifesting to you and you keep moving towards that. It's like magnetic force attracting you towards that, and uh, you need to be pure. Uh, that's why I said values, right values, uh, right mission, right vision that that will definitely attract you.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Wow, so this is actually amazing listening to you because on one hand, you are a mentor in a technology that is currently trending, the AI and ML, right? And you have been teaching students, on the other hand, you go back to Shivatva, Krishna consciousness, vipassana meditation. And I have seen many a times when uh the current lot of students in India, when we talk about all these age-old practices, they don't actually accept it or agree to it, they feel that it does not have a scientific element to it, right? So, kind of I've seen many a time that this generation turns into a theist. So, but you are one person who is practicing and teaching Vipassana meditation, and according to you, what role then does self-awareness or practices like these actually play their role in achieving the professional success? And how has it influenced your journey? So, what do you have to say to the current generation, this Gen Z? That how do you actually merge the two? How do you do that?

SPEAKER_00 25:11

So, actually, we have three uh levels of intelligence. One is in our Gurukuls, we uh we were actually we were taught actually to vidya, vidya means self-knowledge, knowing self, and shiksha means skills, and um then um then there is uh you need to be whatever uh like you whatever you become doctor or engineer or something, whatever. So that is your profession. But uh everything begins with karma, actually. So karma is like uh you asked me that first is the realization. So when you get connected with universe, all uh like all the prophets, all the uh all the uh people who were on the truth, you see the pattern, same pattern. You see the same pattern in Krishna Ji, you see the same pattern in Ramji, you see the same pattern in Jesus Christ, you see they were not selfish, they never lived for themselves. So then when I call myself as a devotee, I need to have those values, otherwise, there's no need to call X, Y, Z. We need to have those values and we need to practice. So then I see all the religion, practice is vipassna. If you see all religions and you practice vipassana, you are actually practicing all the religions because all religion teaches you, they teach you morality, they teach you be good human beings, you they teach you how not don't do good, bad to others, do good to others, don't think bad, always do good, always think good, have greater vision. Um in tough times, don't make uh um mistakes and always uh have faith in God if you see any religion. And when I practice Vipassana, one is I become clear, I I I become um my clarity is there, I clean myself and I practice the values, and that makes me applied religious person. One is you name your name is this, then they will somebody will say, Oh, this person may be belonging to practicing this and that. But names are just tags. Somebody has X, Y, Z name, and somebody belongs to here and there. But actually, is he considering everybody as his brothers and every uh female as a sister and mother and father, everyone? That's what when you talk about, when we talk about Sanatana, Sanatan is a considering every human being, every being as one family, a global family, but do we practice that? One is I say, the other thing is, do I actually believe? One is I say, I discuss, I talk, but then do I genuinely believe that these two things are very different? So when I actually or genuinely believe, there is no conflict.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

In my communication or interaction with the world, there won't be any conflict because I have become Shivatva. That is what is Shivat. He takes he has snake here, and then uh he's not afraid of uh even snake. That's symbolic, right? Because he has a communion with the snake or the all the beings of the universe. That's what is the representation. So then there is no conflict, meaning the why Shiva has a snake here is that even if uh people consider snake as enemy, but snake that enemy is also here because you have reached to a level of consciousness that even snake is not going to harm you because you have a communion with the snake. So the thing is that we, whether it is religion, whether it is education, or whether it is understanding of the world, we are actually scratching at the surface. We don't have deeper, deeper levels of understanding, and we are not practicing uh whatever religion we belong to. Whatever religion we actually one practice is not physical activity, going to temple, going to here, there, and having such such kind of um uh presence, that's that is one percent. Actually, is genuinely do you believe and practice those values, what the prophets and the people you follow, the the God, uh the gods who who gave the message, and the the the mentors and the prophets who gave the message, do you genuinely follow that? And you practice that day in, day out while you sleep, while you eat, while you sit, while you walk, while you talk, and then karma yoga will happen. When you when you are always like God is there, he's watching my karma. So uh Krishnanji is there, Ramji is there, he's watching my karma. So I should not even think, uh not have sensations at that level. And my karma yoga, karma, I whatever I do, whatever I I raise my hand, it is also karma yoga. Whatever I think inside, so when I believe in 100%, then whatever I touch it becomes gold. Uh then there is no afraid of AI ML or AI taking over because you are above all and the consciousness, then you will have a consciousness and awareness which uh which it doesn't need to be verified. We are not here to prove this theorem uh of whether this religion is right or not, uh, whether when you see those patterns at a deeper level, okay, and uh then uh you feel that and you have that consciousness. And I'll I'll just give a forecast. In next hundred years, consciousness will be religion. And if we don't have two qualities, one is which already Sanatan has said, but I I see rarely few people who practice that genuinely. One is considering the entire universe as one family, not as globe, entire universe as one family and caring like you care for your family. Second is having having highest levels of consciousness and self-awareness. If we don't have, then I forecast that human beings will not remain human beings, they will become robots ultimately. Because even if you have body, you you will be controlled by metrics. We are already controlled by governments and laws, this, that. So you are not actually controlled by consciousness. Once you raise consciousness to a level, you don't need laws, you are already disciplined, you don't need controls, you you will never do any harm to any being. So then we don't need laws, all these things. We only need it because we have limitations, we are not that good, and we we need to have that. If we don't have, then uh uh humanity will die in the next hundred years. That's my prediction.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Okay, definitely let's see what will happen, but because AI is booming, I think there is not a person on the planet who has not heard about it. And I would say there's more like a bittersweet relationship with it. There are people, on one hand, I would say we want to learn it, on the other hand, we are even afraid of it because we feel it might take away our jobs, right? And somehow, like once when computers were introduced in our country and then it penetrated to in almost all fields. Now we cannot think of an area where computers are not being used. Similarly, is the case with AI, right? A person with a technical background or with a non-technical background will somehow be actually using it. So, as a mentor, as a trainer, what skills do you think every student must learn today? And what emerging trends or technologies do you believe will shape the future of these fields? Because no doubt every student aspires to be a successful professional, right? And if there are bottlenecks, it is leading to frustration. So, what can be the real knowledge for these youngsters?

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Yeah, so uh I think first of all, we need to be non-biased towards knowledge. So I've studied many subjects to understand the holisticness of education, and I I believe in systems design. So I I did uh breadth research, I studied economics, I studied accounting, I studied um business management, I studied uh science, medical, non-medical, studied mathematics, studied physics, chemistry, all those stuff. Uh, like uh so fundamentally I've understood and know the basic concepts of them. And uh then I understood the uh anthropology. I I studied many religions, and um I studied Sam Veda and Natrashastra, the the creative side of it, the analytical side of it. And what I would suggest is you be a great, great, non-biased researcher in life. That would be a fundamental thing, whether there will be AI or not, you will be always ahead. These are fundamental things, and even if there would be AI, you will create something greater discovery, something great, new invention, something new, uh, you will uh do that. And in India, especially, we were researchers, and our GDP was 27%, and uh, we were never meant for jobs, jobs few people will do, but everybody in India was an entrepreneur. Uh, in if you see in 1600, our GDP was, and then we did not cope off uh because we did not had research um education and research uh centers and people like uh nobody was guiding them, and then uh when we were colonized and uh and we our GDP went to minus a minus five, and we are struggling around five to six right now. It is because of um now we don't have a research country, we are not so. If you see uh uh the world, people who are ruling the world are Jewish people, and they get the maximum Nobel Prizes because they are deeply, deeply research. Uh they do deep research, and that is what is required for I'll say India. If you want to become a world-class country and serve the world, I think each one of us, each one of us, each, every Indian first has to become world-class researcher, and uh then we'll have uh thousands of innovators and we need hundreds of uh trillion dollar startups. So then uh our economy will go above 50 percent. So that is that is my prediction that if we do that, then this will happen. That if we don't do that, then if we keep doing whatever we are doing, so we'll go to 10 or maximum 12, and uh then because on surface level, no innovation comes. You have to do very, very deep level of in research. That is point number one. That's where our students, our future generation should focus on. Second is learning technology like AI, ML, quantum computing, uh, continuously learning and upgrading skills. You will fail hundred times, thousand times, one lakh times. Don't give up. Always learn, always try to learn these technologies. You will not understand them in one day because they are from hundreds of years uh uh back, they have been developed. Even uh when uh let me talk about AI. When human beings, our ancestors, discovered uh discovery of fire when when they rubbed two stones and uh accidentally fire was generated, that was AI at that point of time for human beings. He was even afraid of that fire when it was generated, and because of that, uh, we started cooking the food so that uh if we eat uh uncooked food, we'll have a lot of diseases in us. At that point of time, this was AI for the human being when he discovered fire, and that fire, if I take example and analogy, that fire still exists in our kitchen, in our houses, we have a pipeline of gas and stuff, it is more dangerous than AI if we use it wrongly. We can cook a nice meal to serve somebody and burn somebody with this fire. So, same way AI can be used both positive and negative. So when we have a consciousness and serving the world vision and right values, ethics, mission, vision to uh serve the world, we'll definitely use AI for good. That is point number one. Then uh then the technologies which will come in the future, but then there would be another side that if we don't have these, then it will go against, it will burn us, and it will burn others. And uh so we need to know the ethics of it, technologies. We need to keep learning, first of all, like oxygen. We need to be deep researchers. Second, keep learning these technologies uh and uh always learn for karma, always learn that you are going to serve. This is this is not uh this is just I want to pray, like you you are doing puja, you are doing uh you are um uh praying to the God, you're just uh you're doing righteousness, and you need to actually believe that once you have that intention that you are learning something and you want to serve, then definitely it is going to uh help humanity to serve only because your intentions are pure, right?

SPEAKER_01 41:08

Right. So basically, when we innovate, we must also learn how to use that mindfully, right? That innovation. So that is what the good energy and the bad energy is all about, yes. And you have also worked on value innovations and basically trained education, I would say. So, how important is innovation in the Indian education system right now? Because even I feel because I'm being part of the education sector in the consultancy, so I do feel that there is lack of research options available to students. So, what do you think about it?

SPEAKER_00 41:58

I think from the beginning, from primary school, we need to start teaching um our students about research because this is oxygen, I'll say. Because till the time they reach a graduation level, then and only they will be mature researchers, and then whatever discoveries they will be doing at a master's level, that would be actually helping or a graduation level. So that will help the humanity, their uh their innovations will help. And once they go for PhD, that will be a breakthrough research for the world. Because what we do, what we keep doing is we just wait till the PhD, and uh in PhD, they just learn about the research and then uh they stop. They got doctor dot and dot is the stop. No need to learn, and uh you know everything, and that becomes a big ego, but that is dot is the beginning. I will say that you've gone to ground zero, you need to become Shiva Zero, Shivatva, you need to go to ground zero saying that I need to do thousands of innovations and become a deep researcher. So zero day has begun when I got the PhD. So that level of attitude when we have in our education, then we have innovations on the way.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

Yeah, beautifully said. And what advice would you give to teenagers who want to pursue a career in AI and ML, but actually feel overwhelmed or lost? Or how can young learners effectively navigate the vast resources available online to build their expertise in this field in data science?

SPEAKER_00 43:46

Yes. So I'll say keep things simple. Simplicity is the actual sophistication. With that, Steve Jobs built 2.3.27 billion trillion dollar company called Apple. And uh simplicity, keep things simple, keep concepts very simple, but go very deep into that and learn how to apply them. That is one thing. And uh, how you do anything, you do everything. So have excellence in your actions and keep improving each day. If you improve 1% a day, 365 days, you are a totally complete changed person and keep changing and improving because life is changing. So keep improving your skills and learning and be agile and uh and keep learning or be non-biased to knowledge, I'll say, because when you're non-biased to knowledge, whatever is the future, you keep learning to advance proactively so that when that skill is required, you are there to solve that problem. And uh AIML and data science, keep things simple. So learn uh the computer science mathematics very deeply, learn the algorithms uh very deeply, then learn the concepts very deeply, and learn them to build projects and uh make um innovations through AI ML and build something great and solve the real-world problems with those uh algorithms and the concepts and the things and learn to design problem statements deeply, then uh learn to collect data, clean data, uh do EDA, exploratory data analysis, pre-processing, then build models, know how to use the models, and then and then build uh test and train the models and then go and deploy them and build world-class solutions which will serve the humanity. I think that is the best way with simplicity, depth, and learning end-to-end about uh the technologies and the skills which will be coming in the future, and knowing yourself, who you are, reaching to a level of shivatva, always being at a zero so that uh you you've you don't have ego. When you are at shivatva, your ego is zero. And once ego is zero, your learning is always growing, you're always humble, you're always innovating, you're always there for others. And uh definitely when you create a lot of restaurants of food, so you are never hungry. So we are always ego tells us that uh lesser consciousness, this is the lowest level of consciousness, insecurity. Yeah, is going to take over, this is going to happen, he will take my property, this, that. Never have such insecurities because when you have such insecurities, you become that kind of person. So whatever you focus on that grows. So always have a greater vision, work for it, and uh keep learning continuously, don't have to worry. Focus and attention is another greatest asset, uh, not money, buildings, and money you have. Uh even if you have billions of dollars, your focus and attention is um not there. So, what will happen is you lose everything in one day. If you have focus and attention, and uh you know yourself, you have consciousness, you are genuinely uh considering the whole universe as one family, then and all you don't have to worry. There is no uh worry, there is you're ultimately connected to the universal consciousness, and you don't have to worry, universe is there to help you in any situation. So uh I think uh that is the vision we need to have, and those are the skills we need to have with Shiksha. We need to have vidya and the consciousness of universe, and we need to uh work with such things and yet being grounded, even if you have such a knowledge, but uh you need to be grounded and uh feeling that still I don't know anything because the universe is infinite, God is infinite, yes.

SPEAKER_01 48:09

But if I may ask you basically for the kids, because uh now the AI curriculum has been included in school education, and I believe as early as class sixth, they are teaching concepts of an AI and ML to students. So, like even these concepts involve programming languages, and there are multiple programming languages in the sector. So, which is according to you, which is the one programming language, like the first step the student should take towards that so that you can gradually build on that.

SPEAKER_00 48:48

Yeah, have a mastery of C language, it is mother of all languages. Learn C, I'll say uh deeply understand C and then uh learn Python after that. And once you understand C, I'll I'll take with 100% very deeply. If you understand C, then learn Python. Uh Python is very English level, uh, like a language, and uh after that learn the computer science mathematics deeply, know the algorithms, know the models, know the concepts, and build projects. And uh you will you will continuously keep learning so you will get to know your way of learning, how you are learning, but uh and visualize the concepts, visualize them and see the patterns in real life, correlation, do correlation that how I can apply this knowledge, whatever I have learned today, and then you will be fascinated that you will keep learning new new things so that you feel fascinated that okay, I'll I'll keep applying and solving these problems. So build that kind of knowledge body.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

So this is actually amazing to know that even after so many decades, C has not lost its relevance.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

Yes, I asked the first question to my students that uh how much you know C. So they'll say four out of ten. I'll say learn C properly. Because uh C that is um because I keep it, I keep I will not ask you learn this, this, this, but C if you know, uh I think um you can learn any language. Very, very that's a cup of tea. Learning other languages cup of tea. Main thing is learning C. That's mother of all languages. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

So I'm actually loving this conversation, but yes, we have time constraints. So coming to the towards the end of this podcast, one last one for you. That what's next for Dr. Noble Arya, or what is your vision for Noble Transformation Hub in the next decade? Or let's say, if I want to put it, how do you plan to continue inspiring and empowering the future generations?

SPEAKER_00 51:17

So, my vision is to make India a world-class research country and uh then let world let us serve the world, and uh not to show off that Indians are great, but uh because we are doing karma yoga, so we don't need appreciation, we don't need depreciation, we need to continuously uh do righteousness, uh do karma yoga and keep serving the world with our innovations, breakthroughs, and wisdom. And uh and then ultimately the universe is one family, so we don't have to show anybody we are great or not great, we are just being a family, and uh that is what my mission is my vision is that to um to make a world a very beautiful place with technology, with uh consciousness, with um with uh with the right values, and uh make it a one family, and together uh let's solve the real challenges and real problems together uh and not being in politics. So I will never ever ever ever touch politics. Uh that is my one of the value because I believe is I can serve being a normal human being and uh be very neutral and and serve uh global humanity, and uh I don't need any uh anything for that. My karma and my intentions and the vision, and if if God wants uh that I should be doing it, then I'll be successful. If not, then I won't be. So I believe in karma and uh I'll I'll keep doing what I'm doing, but I I have the I want to solve the real problem, like education. I want to make affordable education for all, healthcare, I want to make for all with innovation. I want to um I want to explore the space to uh do uh space mining, wherein we can uh do uh a lot of uh research and we can uh understand space deeply, and uh also uh I want to make people realize that everything is within them and they don't need to get anything from outside. So it's not a materialism, it is like knowing yourself. So those are those are the things, and also I want to um create startups and companies and uh uh environment, uh especially in India in the world, first India and the world, to um uh to solve the genuine and real problems of now and the future. So those are the that is the vision I have with education and skilled education and consciousness and vidya and shiksha.

SPEAKER_01 54:21

Wow, these are really the big ones, and you know, while talking to you, I'm saying that the I'm we are approaching the end of the podcast, but when listening to you, more and more questions are coming to my mind, right? Critical actually, I don't want to stop that, but yes, because my listeners are mainly you know the Gen Z, right? So as a last one, it is for both technical and non-technical, like one might be in the uh IT sector, or the other one might be an economics graduate, right? So, to be the world-class researcher, what are the three steps, three most essential steps that these people should actually take so that they are on the right path?

SPEAKER_00 55:18

So I'll say that first is to have a greatest vision in your life. Your worth is measured by the vision you have, the values you have, the mission you have in life. That is the one thing, one thing. Second is then striving for that mission to get accomplished. Only dreaming is not going to help you. You need to make efforts, you need to have uh sleepless nights, you need to, you will go through a lot of challenges, but you need to keep dreaming, keep improving, keep uh moving towards it, and uh uh then you need to keep learning the skills and knowing continuously yourself, and uh knowing self is actually helping a lot, 99%. And then you keep improving and reflecting on how you're going to improve. And uh continuously, once you do that, and uh like when you know the when you know yourself and you keep improving each day, so then it's a it's a never-ending journey, actually. So continuous uh motivation, but your vision, mission, and values will actually keep you uh grounded and on the path. But for that, uh yeah, so along with that, you need to be a deep researcher. So for that, you need to have these set of values first, and because research is uh a lot of people will not do research because they think oh, it is only for PhD, so uh or it is only for scientists. So I will say that Edison did not go to uh school, he just went uh three months to school, but he had 1000 innovations, uh, more than 1000 innovations on his name. And that was the first company uh like G was the first company I entered for me. And we have some similarities, like uh that I was also luckily I got into his company. So uh that means that if you are a researcher and if if you are not even gone to school, still you can innovate so much that your generations will not be hungry and you will solve a lot of problems. That is that is the power of research, but it is like uh the three elements which you asked me. The question is that curiosity, continuous uh passion for innovation, and um solving problems, because when it comes to solving problems, we actually do research to solve problems because our 50% uh our uh research begins actually is completed when we design a problem statement. So, problem statement is 50% PhD done. So when we learn that and we are deep problem solvers, and um uh and this is one aspect, and then wish mission, vision, values, and knowing self and continuously working and improving yourself on the research, on self, on skills, and the whatever work we are doing. So that will make a holistic uh personality and uh like like we eat food. So I'll say if uh somebody wants to have a greater life, the way you eat food, you need to do research, the way you eat food, you need to know yourself, the way you eat food, you need to have vision, the way you eat food, you need to have mission, the way you eat food, you need to have values, the way you eat food, you need to have something, some purpose with which you will fit your mission, vision, values, research, innovation, and solve problems, and ultimately we are problem solvers. Whether I am into education or you are into education, or somebody is designing a product, or somebody is from IIT, somebody is from design school, everybody, IS officer, everybody is solving problems. So when we become deep researchers with such values and uh with karmi yoga intention that this is uh this is uh I am I am doing puja, I am I am praying the God with my actions, so then I think uh it it really impacts and it it it creates the ripple effect, and then the world is a great place.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

You are right, but don't you think this is exactly the dilemma the students face? Because many a times they know what they want, because I would say the current Gen Z is much more you can say evolved, right? But their dilemma exists how instead of what they are more worried about how that is the problem they are looking for, huh?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:17

That is the problem, that is the problem, actually. That is what I said. It is when Krishanji asked to Arjunji that okay, um, he asked him, you do this, uh you do this action. He said, I can't do it because he sees the present reality. So uh that was a problem with like Arjunji entire Gita, he says uh Krishnji says to Arjunji that you do you uh um this he gives the clarity, but uh in today's generation there are two or three problems one is clarity, the other thing is how they want to know how, they want to know tactics, they don't have patience. The average uh attention time is nine seconds. So the thing is that uh that is a surface level thing, even they don't know what when I go to school, universities, and colleges, so when I ask the semantic level of meaning, so that is not there, they have not studied. I used to I used to use dictionary encyclopedia, reference books, even I used to buy reference books for textbooks, like you have textbooks, but I'll buy reference books also for that, so that I can go deeper and understand concept at a deeper level. I'll buy dictionary for each subject so that I know semantic level of understanding of that meaning, and I know from etymology that from where this word has come, and then I'll drive my inference about that word that I don't have to remember because then it is there. It's there in front of me. In the question, the answer is 90% of the answer is there, but but the the Gen Z has no patience, and they don't have patience, they don't have depth, they just want to know how you are going to fail because you need to know what deeply, you need to know why deeply, how will happen. So they want to do shortcut, but 90% is what and why. How is just 10%, like earlier generations, they were after what now generations are how you are missing why. So why is why is actually clarity, which uh if you study Bhagavad Gita, you will see that Krishanji tells to Arjunji why, why, why, why, why, why. And that is critical thinking, and our generation is missing critical thinking.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

Right, right. Thank you, thank you, Dr. Arya, for this enlightening discussion. And I was loving it all the way, and I'm sure the same feeling will be in our listeners too. But thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:20

Yeah, I definitely loved it, and I love each time I interact with you, and uh I am so compassionate uh and uh passionate, and I'm really I love this each each each element of it, and I enjoy and uh may hope this uh I I I hope this uh podcast will transform uh millions, not millions, billions of people, because still the time it will be there, and it will definitely give deep insights and golden nuggets and transform their lives if they understand deeply at a semantic level what we are talking about.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

Right, right. Thank you, thank you, Dr.

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Noble.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

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